Time to talk about … mental health: Interview with Phil Longwell


We rarely talk about mental health problems in ELT—the stress, anxiety, the hidden injuries of bureaucracy. Yet these are problems experienced by grassroots teachers across contexts and cultures.

In the build-up to UK Time to Talk Day 2017, I interview Phil Longwell on his personal battle with mental health problems—and what might be done to address these problems within ELT.



When did you first start having mental health problems?

I first got depression when I was 17 years old and a student at a college in Kings Lynn. I wasn’t diagnosed then. I just knew I wasn’t feeling right. I was very socially withdrawn.

Was there a certain trigger?

Possibly the separation of my parents and teenage growing pains. I lost contact with my school friends. I was unable to speak to them and drifted apart.

How have mental health problems affected your work life?

On several occasions before teaching English I struggled. I worked in insurance and often had low moods throughout my 20s.  When I came to work for The Stationary Office in 1997 I found this depression grew and I was unable to converse easily with colleagues. During that time, I had my first doctor’s sick note, which said ‘stress’. I later had a disciplinary procedure over my behaviour at Ofsted in 2003 caused by ill health. I was eventually fired, but won an appeal.

With teaching English, I’ve had to leave jobs early because of anxiety I’ve suffered on arrival. When I came back from a recent trip, I wrote down all the separate times anxiety had impacted on my work. It has happened eleven times in total [see below].  

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I’ve wasted a huge amount of money and lost a lot of earnings. I’m still not paying off my old student loan from my days at Anglia University because there hasn’t been a year when I’ve earned more than the threshold for repayments.

Have you confided in colleagues about your mental health problems? What was their reaction?

Occasionally. I tried to do it at Ofsted but there wasn’t much sympathy. I’ve told some colleagues in my teaching career but rarely my line manager.  In the past 10 years it has been anxiety more than depression, although the two are linked.

On one occasion I told my interviewer – for a role in Dalian, China – that I had problems. He was grateful for my honesty but said it would only concern him if I couldn’t do my job.  Then he wasn’t very understanding when it happened.  There were factors when I got to China which affected me badly. A lot of it had to do with not knowing enough Chinese to navigate around. And teaching right next to an airport with planes taking off every five minutes.

Paul: Can you describe a classroom incident which illustrates the problems you’ve had?

So, it was 2013, the summertime. I was working at a university in Leicester, England. It was a five week, pre-sessional course for international students, mostly Chinese. It was the first day of the course. The students had just arrived, we’d registered them, and they’d had a talk from the head of languages.

Then all the teachers had to go and get the textbooks for the course—and I can’t remember exactly why, but I was the last one to get hold of the books. So by the time I got there, there were only 10 copies left. So with my class of 25 students, there were only 10 books to go round.

I knew full well that everybody else had enough copies for their students—so I immediately apologise … say to them ‘Well, you might have to share … we’re going to get some more books … they’ve been promised.’ But I knew that there wasn’t enough books. We didn’t have any more books—that was it! I dished out all the books I had, and I just looked at their faces…and I don’t know why but I just froze…I just came over all…I started to have palpitations…my heart rate increased, I started sweating. Even now I tremble thinking about it [laughter]. My mind was going what are they thinking of me, what are they thinking of me. I got really paranoid.

They could see I was struggling as I couldn’t speak. In the end, I had to walk out of the classroom, ring up my line manager and say ‘Sorry, I just can’t teach—I can’t do this.’ I was having a panic attack. My line manager took over, carried on and I felt terrible. I went away, I went back to my room and I just felt terrible. And I never properly recovered from that moment. We did eventually get the books a few days later but because of that moment – in my head – I never quite recovered my confidence.

It’s like a footballer who lets in a goal in the first five minutes of the match, then spends the rest of the game worrying about the goal he let in and not the other 85 minutes.

It’s the not being able to verbalize something which causes the panic attack to a large extent.

How do you look back on that incident now?

Well it was silly. It was silly that I had that reaction. The rational part of the brain says ‘These things happen. Just move on and don’t worry.’ But I don’t know. My panic attacks they come from the tiniest smallest thoughts—and if you don’t know anything about panic attacks you tend to think that panic attacks are something huge—that they are huge, really life-threatening situations but for me they can be the smallest things. It starts from a tiny thought—and that thought can be a trigger which sets you off. Then you’re into a cycle. A panic cycle, they call it.

And it’s hard to get out of that cycle presumably?

It can be very difficult yeah.

Do you think that the way ELT teachers work – where, for example, we’re often thrust into new teaching situations and new cultures – can exacerbate, or even cause mental health problems?

Yes, undoubtedly. Sometimes you’re surrounded by another language which isn’t English. I’ve taught in Saudi Arabia, in China, in South Korea, and Vietnam. And sometimes the culture is very different as well. You’re overwhelmed, you’re taking in lots of different things. So I’ve often struggled in the first week of arriving in a new place. Not the first couple of days but when I get into a teaching situation and I’m not fully prepared when I come to teach because I’m having to deal with passport issues, accommodation, travel—like getting to work!

In Dalian, China, I was put up in a hotel near the airport and I had to order my own taxi to get round the other side of the airport to the university. And because I don’t speak Chinese I had to write the address out … and if I couldn’t get understood by the taxi driver I’d get anxious. So I would arrive at the university already anxious because of the journey.

I can relate. I remember in Saudi Arabia, my taxi driver told me he could no longer pick me up—I thought I was going to die! [Back to standing in the dust at the edge of a motorway with my thumb held out.]

We’re put in some very unsettling situations. But it’s hard to change that. They want teachers there just before you’re due to start work—to start quickly.

Sometimes the language issue isn’t a problem, but it’s something else. It’s some factor and it can be a very small thing … I’m very organised. I take pride in being well-organised. If I go into a classroom and I don’t have a list of students’ names or a textbook or something isn’t working – a bit of technology isn’t working – or there aren’t enough pens, or I have a beautiful whiteboard but not any whiteboard markers.

Tiny little things … I can dwell on the tiny little things and forget the bigger picture.

It sounds like control of the classroom becomes very important … more than it might need to be. You need control over the equipment: the pens, and so on.

I hate it when you get a very well-funded department, and you know they’re getting a lot of money because their parents are paying a lot of money, you know ‘bums on seats’, and they don’t have basic things like a pen or an eraser for the whiteboard—silly little things that can annoy you. But sometimes it’s not the fact that they don’t have it. It’s sometimes that you have to sign a release form to get a marker pen or something ridiculous. Things like that which can infuriate you.

Do you think the bureaucracy can drive people over the edge sometimes?

I think so. I think when you have to sign for things and somebody somewhere is accounting for every little thing you have out of the stationary cupboard …

Some people get angry, some people get frustrated, some people get annoyed and they let their feelings known. For me, I tend to bottle it up – or have bottled it up – and I let it ruminate. So there’s no release. Sometimes the panic attacks are a kind of an outward expression of what I’m feeling inside—something I’ve not been able to verbalize. I know I’ve had panic attacks, and even family have been around me and they say ‘What can I do? and I can’t verbalize what’s going on. It’s the not being able to verbalize something which causes the panic attack to a large extent.

Have you had support in the workplace in dealing with these issues?

I’ve not always had support in the workplace from the people that matter: line managers, directors of studies, or the head of the language centre.

Don’t get me wrong—some places have been great. I had a good line manager in Saudi Arabia. My director of studies in Beijing was also very good. I lasted 10 months there.

How could mental health issues in ELT be addressed?

I know there’s plenty of campaigns here in the UK – like Time for Change – that ask people to go into the workplace and start a conversation, ask people how they’re doing – and don’t just accept OK as an acceptable answer. Sometimes you need to dig deeper because people will say ‘I’m OK,’ or ‘Fine, thanks,’ but they’re covering something up perhaps.

Not everyone will want to talk, that’s fair enough—you can’t force people to talk. But I’ve never come across a situation over 10 years of teaching English where there’s been direct support for mental health. I’ve never seen that.

I’ve been on professional development weeks at work and there’s never been anything about health or well-being or anything like that. It’s all been about How to use the Tech or something completely unrelated to well-being.

I think before starting work you have to think about teacher well-being.

So many hours are lost in the UK by people being off work because of mental health, or stress or anxiety. If there was more support within the workplace then a lot less hours would be lost and the economy would be better for it.

The times you hear a politician—be it David Cameron or Theresa May say ‘Yes, we’re going to do more for mental health because it’s an important issue.’ All talk. And then there’s no action because there’s no funding. They’re not prepared to fund it.

The problem is when you address these issues you open up a Pandora’s box. It throws up questions like: ‘Why are we all working so hard?’ or ‘Why aren’t we paid enough to take time off and rest?’

And it does connect to the pressure on teachers to work long hours, that includes marking and feedback outside of the class, meeting targets, deadlines and report writing—all those things that come with teaching. Which is not just in ELT, but teaching in general.

A lot of campaigns say that at some point in their life 1 in 4 people will suffer from a mental health problem. I’d say for teachers that would be higher than 1 in 4.

Last question. What would you say to any teacher suffering from mental health problems now?

If you’re suffering yourself, I would say approach somebody you can trust. It’s not always your line manager, it may be a work colleague. And make sure it’s face-to-face as well. A lot of communication is in your body language, your intonation …

And simply have a conversation. The whole thing about Time for Change – the organisation behind National Time to Talk Day – is just having a conversation over a cup of tea. You know, just ask if somebody’s alright.

And if they say ‘I’m alright’ but don’t look it, just dig a little deeper.


Phil Longwell has a CELTA and M.A. in English Language Teaching from the University of Warwick. He started teaching in Tanzania in 2006 and has worked in South Korea, Vietnam, China, and Saudi Arabia. He now lives and works in the UK. He has recently started one-to-one tutoring and volunteers with refugees and migrant workers as a mentor and teacher.

Everyone involved in TaWSIG would like to extend our thanks to Phil for agreeing to be interviewed. Has this post inspired YOU to write for us? Then take a look at our submissions criteria and send in a pitch or an article.

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Further reading

What Happens to Your Body What Happens to Your Body During a Panic Attack?

CALM – The Campaign Against Living Miserably – A charity dedicated to preventing male suicide, the biggest single killer of men aged 20 – 45 in the UK.

Good for Nothing by Mark Fisher – Connecting neoliberal politics with mental health.

Psychiatry Disrupted – Theorizing Resistance and Crafting the (R)evolution



20 Responses

  1. Gemma

    January 30, 2017 10:57 am

    Thank you for your honesty Phil and for sharing your story with us.
    I think we can all relate to it, one way or another- I certainly can.
    I know I’m repeating myself but thanks again for sharing.


    • Phil

      January 30, 2017 3:43 pm

      Thanks for taking the time to reply, Gemma. You should have seen what was left out. But seriously, it has been something I’ve wanted to say for years. Just waited for the right moment.

  2. Phil Wade

    January 30, 2017 11:42 am

    This is a very refreshing post, Phil. Thanks for being so open. I get fed up of the ‘TEFL is amazing and we all make lots of money’ mirage sometimes. I’m a firm believer in addressing problems to make situations better. Until there are proper contracts and jobs, TEFL will continue to be a risky place for teachers. There are so many Zero Hour style contracts or schools with adhoc hours and no contracts. This is why every tutor on my CELTA said to go abroad and get a full-time job and that perhaps is still the best option.

    • Phil

      January 30, 2017 3:46 pm

      Thanks for reading and taking the time to reply, Phil. As I said above, it’s something I’ve been wanting to say for ages. I wanted to coincide with the national Time To Talk day. I always thought it was my fault, my problem, not something that could be address by my employer. Which in itself caused further problems as I ‘bottled it up’. I’ve never made much money in ELT to be frank. I’m still not able to pay off my student loan because I’ve never earned above the threshold. Only my brief stints teaching in Saudi Arabia were financially rewarding.

  3. Michelle Hunter

    January 30, 2017 6:16 pm

    Thanks for daring to tip the lid a little on this “Pandora’s Box”, Phil. Let’s see who else is brave enough to lift it a little further. Whenever I read stories related to mental health issues, I am reminded of Ruby Wax’s roller-coaster of a lid-lifting book: “Sane New World”. If you can cope with her style, it’s a riveting – and hope-inspiring – read.

    • Phil

      January 30, 2017 6:26 pm

      Hi Michelle. Many thanks for your comment. It is, indeed, a ‘Pandora’s Box’. I love that analogy. Paul mentioned it,too in the interview. I think I may have unwittingly started a debate. I’ve already received lots of support and thanks from the ELT community today (30 Jan). I do follow Ruby Wax on Twitter and admire what she does for mental health awareness. I also went to the same Priory clinic that she went to once.

  4. Colleen

    January 30, 2017 8:56 pm

    Thanks for the interview. I can’t relate to some of this part as I suffer from a bipolar like illness. My big difference is on my worst days going into the classroom was like therapy. It gave me purpose. The bureaucracy & pressure of being a coordinator was my downfall & actually resulted in my second hospitalisation after 2nd suicide attempt. However this lead to my diagnosis & now with the correct medication feel the best I have done in 12 years. Never say never & never give up. Find purpose & set small achievable goals.

    • Phil

      January 30, 2017 9:38 pm

      Hi Colleen. Thank you so much for your heartfelt comment. I have to admit now that I felt suicidal in Leicester in the summer of 2013. I had already been in a secure unit in Kings Lynn that year. I was living in an awful accommodation block next to De Montfort University which had five stories. One day I walked up the staircase to the top and thought about throwing myself of. Luckily I had a change of heart. I didn’t actually have the capacity to do it.

  5. Marisa Constantinides

    January 31, 2017 11:18 pm


    Such candour is surely going to help towards the goal of liberating you. I am so happy you were able to articulate all this so openly. Having worked with you in the past and knowing your potential, I felt truly sad to ‘lose you’ to those feelings you describe. Am happy for you and happier even to see you reconnect with us (even before this post). You have a PLN that can and will stand behind you.

    • Phil

      February 1, 2017 12:23 pm

      Thank you for your comment, Marisa. I hope to reconnect with my Wonderful PLN in Glasgow in April. I’m planning on coming to the annual conference. This time I won’t suffer in the way I did at Liverpool in 2013 and Harrogate in 2014. I will use the support around me.

  6. Hada

    February 27, 2017 4:44 pm

    Thanks Phil for sharing this very personal experience which no doubt affects many in our field.
    You’re so right, we work together, spend so much time with our colleagues but sadly, this is a topic seldom discussed, or addressed. And I think that if it does, it probably remains ‘secret’, because apparently it’s best that way.
    Your voice will help many I’m sure.. I’ve already shared this with colleagues and my boss hoping we too can begin the discussion so there’s no ‘taboo’ around it.
    I really pray this helps you as you no doubt are helping others.

    • Phil

      February 27, 2017 5:02 pm

      Hi Hada. Thank you so much for leaving a comment. I thought all the views of the post had dried up. But it is reassuring that it is still getting shared by professionals who work in ELT. I only scratched the surface with this interview. Lots was left out and I could have gone on for much longer. People want a bitesize post, however, otherwise it won’t get read by many. It certainly triggered others to write from their own perspective and to begin collating links and resources on this topic. It is discussed in general education but I don’t believe it’s widely discussed specifically in ELT. If I continue to receive feedback I will seriously consider proposing this for IATEFL (or another) conference. I’ve never presented before and would want to do something that hasn’t previously been widely acknowledged or debated. Making the recent decision to go self-employed has helped with my own wellbeing.

      Warm regards,

  7. Kieran Donaghy

    February 27, 2017 8:14 pm

    Hi Phil,
    Congratulations on your courage. There are very few people who would be able to talk about the mental health issues they’ve had to face in their teaching career. I hope this article inspires other teachers to open up about similar mental health problems they’ve experienced and to ask for help.
    All the best, Phil.

    • Phil

      February 27, 2017 8:26 pm

      Thanks for leaving a comment, Kieran. It matters to me that people in our profession do get in contact and leave messages of support. I know that talking to people, reducing the stigma surrounding mental health and not closing the door through ignorance are important. I am keeping a private record of all the communication I’ve received in various ways over this interview. I hope to write a journal article or present something at conference at some point in the future, when the time is right. Phil.

  8. Kerry Malster

    February 27, 2017 9:22 pm

    Thank you so much for your time and bravery in getting this message out. As a profession I feel we’re making great progress in this area but we still have a long way to go. Thanks again for your honesty; I know it can’t have been easy.

    • Phil

      February 28, 2017 8:30 am

      Hi Kerry. Thanks for your comment. It was a bit of gamble because I feared future employers might come across it and not employ me, believing that I am/was unreliable. I am interested to know about progress that has already been made in this area, what pro-active measures have been put in place – in certain institutions. It would be useful to get examples of good practice in the workplace as examples to others.


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